猛龙勇士(「键盘侠」深度复盘龙勇总决赛｜伊巴卡竟是系列赛转折点？)

[SERIOUS NEXT DAY THREAD] Post-Game Discussion (June 13th, 2019)

【严肃向赛后讨论】赛后讨论（2019年6月13日）

赛果如下：

G1——勇士109-118猛龙

G2——勇士109-104猛龙

G3——猛龙123-109勇士

G4——猛龙105-92勇士

G5——勇士106-105猛龙

G6——猛龙114-110勇士

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[–]WhatDoesJaThink 581 points 8 hours ago

What a story Van Vleet is, passed up by colleges, passed up on in the draft and in the end he was the guy who stepped up out of nowhere to keep Toronto's offence hot when nobody else could. Dude has made so many key key shots in the playoffs.

范弗里特的故事多么传奇啊！被大学抛弃、被选秀抛弃，结果他成为总决赛致胜期间猛龙手感最火热的人，这家伙在季后赛命中了无数记关键投篮啊。

[–]YoungReeezy 95 points 6 hours ago

FVV deserve that 1 FINAL MVP vote, he shouldn't win it, but he deserve a vote to acknowledge the fact he made incredibly tough shots when it mattered.

范弗里特值得一个FMVP的选票，他不应该赢得它，但是他值得这一票，因为这一票让大家明白他确实在需要的时候命中了很多不可思议的投篮。

[–][TOR] Fred VanVleethoocoodanode 29 points 4 hours ago

Similarly, I was disappointed that Lowry didn't get at least one vote. There were a number of games throughout the playoffs where he set the tone himself in the first two quarters and, with his play-making, kept it close enough that Kawhi could heat up in the second half and bring it home. I'm glad Leonard showed him respect he deserved after the game tonight.

猛龙球迷：我同样如此，洛瑞一票没得让我有些沮丧，很多场比赛他都是前两节通过他的传导球以及进攻让球队咬住比分，这样才能让莱昂纳德在下半场发力来收割比赛，我很开心莱昂纳德在赛后还是表达了自己对于洛瑞的尊重。

[–]LakersPM-ME-YOUR-FoUrSKIN 345 points 8 hours ago

Marc Gasol struggled on offense, however it was key that they had Serge Ibaka who came onto the floor and gave them quality offense and defense. The Raptors had a solid team and Kawhis defense and rebounding was a big difference in the Finals.

湖人球迷：马克-加索尔在进攻端受限严重，然而关键是他们拥有伊巴卡——他可以在场上提供有质量的进攻和防守，猛龙是一支很硬的球队，他们拥有莱昂纳德的防守以及篮板，这也是致胜的关键。

[–]KeiFeR123 206 points 8 hours ago

I have friends who were frustrated with Gasol due to his slowness but kudos to him. We wouldn't be in the Finals if he didn't stop those big guys in the east. He deserves it so much..I am so happy that he got a ring. At least Pau won't troll him for not having a ring. LOL LOL

我有好些朋友，他们都因为小加索尔的缓慢而沮丧，但是如果没有他阻止东部那些巨人，我们可能都进不了总决赛，我们很开心他能够得到一枚总冠军戒指，毕竟这样保罗-加索尔就不会嘲笑他的弟弟没有总冠军戒指了哈哈哈哈。

[–]RaptorsDrunkenMasterII 94 points 7 hours ago

The only problem was his unwillingness to take some shots and he’s just not that good at finishing around the rim anymore. But he really did what we needed from him and we’re not winning that Sixers series without him, even Orlando’s series could’ve been a struggle without him.

猛龙球迷：唯一的问题就是他不愿意去投一些球，而且在终结上 也不是那么出色，但是小加索尔能够把我们需要的任务圆满完成，没有他我们根本过不了76人那一关，甚至在对阵魔术的系列赛都会困难重重。

[–]GrizzliesThePoMan 60 points 7 hours ago

Marc passing out of a wide open 3 was the most frustrating thing ever as a Grizzlies fan. Like just shoot! You're actually good at it!

灰熊球迷：作为灰熊球迷每次看到小加索尔大空位三分不投而选择传球的时候都会超级沮丧，赶紧投啊，你实际上三分很不错的。

[–]devrit 50 points 8 hours ago

You could see it from Gasol. He knew he was struggling with his shot. The 2nd half he stopped shooting and fed his teammates more. Props to him for realising that sometimes it just isnt your day and to change tactics in the game to still benefit your team.

你可以在加索尔身上看到这些东西，他知道他在投篮是上有些挣扎，然后他在下半场就会选择停止投篮然后去给队友传球，为他的现实打CALL，有些时候确实就不是你的日子，你需要改变比赛策略来帮助球队。

[–]RaptorsArcticML 376 points 8 hours ago

Bringing in Ibaka in the last 5 minutes to run a cleaner pick and roll option was a fantastic move by Nick Nurse

猛龙球迷：让伊巴卡打最后五分钟去运转清楚的挡拆真的是纳斯的一招妙棋啊。

[–]Vancouver Grizzlieshyroglyphixs 233 points 8 hours ago

That's why having two starting calibre centers was such a great move by Masai, gasol clearly didn't have it last night, and Ibaka was able to pick up the slack

Depth really mattered this series, especially with the injuries to gsw

乌杰里妙计安天下——球队有两个有首发资格的中锋就是这么爽，加索尔昨天不在状态，伊巴卡就适时补上。

这轮系列赛深度尤为重要，尤其是对于伤兵满营的勇士而言。

[–]Raptorscompletelytrustworth 97 points 8 hours ago

Ibaka couldn't stop Boogie from scoring though, he was getting completely bullied down low.

Being able to play Gasol when Boogie is on the floor, and then Ibaka when it was Bogut or Looney was huge

猛龙球迷：伊巴卡实际上在得分上并不能阻拦考辛斯，他还是矮了一点。

所以在考辛斯在场的时候上加索尔，然后当博格特和鲁尼在场的时候伊巴卡就很大只了。

[–]Knickssyllabic 98 points 8 hours ago

ibaka played incredibly well for the last few games of this series. his jumper was hitting and he was killing them with the pick and roll

尼克斯球迷：伊巴卡在这轮系列赛的最后几场比赛里打得是真的好啊，他的跳投精准而且利用挡拆也能杀人。

[–]WarriorsAcquire__Currency 123 points 8 hours ago*

I was very impressed with the Raptors this series. Deep, talented team that defends at a high level. And yes, things would have probably been different without the injuries (KD Achilles and Klay ACL, are you fucking kidding me? I’m devastated man) ...but Toronto still earned this ring with their play this series. Their whole squad stepped up and kinda stole the “Strength in Numbers” mantra from us. So many different players gave valuable contributions, it felt like every game at least two players besides Kawhi scored 20+. So I won’t take anything away from them, like I wouldn’t from us in 2015 when we beat the Cavs sans Kyrie/Love.

勇士球迷：我对猛龙这轮系列赛的表现印象深刻，他们阵容够深、天赋够好，并且还能以很高的级别进行防守，当然如果没有伤病（KD跟腱锻炼、克莱十字韧带撕裂）可能结果会完全不一样……但是多伦多这轮系列赛的表现配得上这枚戒指，他们一直在进步，并且众志成城，他们很多人都给出了有价值的贡献，感觉每场比赛都有除了莱昂纳德以外的人站出来贡献20+以上的分数，所以我不会去嘲讽或者责备他们，就如同我们不会再2015年因为骑士缺少了欧文+乐福赢球而羞愧一样。

[–]RaptorsZeroMomentum 42 points 7 hours ago

One thing about this current roster is veteran poise. Never too high after a win. Never too low after a loss.

Ability to punch back all the time and the only anomaly was the 18-0 run in that third quarter. That is really hard to do

In game 3-4 in the oracle. The raps simply wore out the dubs by being more physical and healthier

猛龙球迷：还有一件事情就是这支球队真的非常成熟，他们不会因为赢球而过度开心，也不会因为输球而过分沮丧。

他们总能在失败后回击，唯一一次异常就是第二场第三节的那个18-0的冲击波，这确实很难反击。

在奥克兰的第三场和第四场，猛龙通过更具对抗新以及更健康的身躯拖垮了猛龙。

[–]Mavericksalpha-jabroni 416 points 9 hours ago*

That was something, I'm still digesting that game. There are a couple of points worth discussing on the Warriors side imo

I think what stood out the most was golden states inability to get moving after Klays injury. The Raptors were picking up Curry as soon as he hit the center line and just crowding him. At one point you had Curry, Cook, Looney, Iggy and Green out there and they just couldn't do anything offensively against the Raptors defense.

Another point is that while Boogie may have been a net positive offensively he was getting absolutely destroyed by the Raptors pick and roll. Boogie simply cannot match up against smaller gaurds effectively.

Lastly, I believe Kerr had possibly one of his best coaching games ever and it will go unnoticed because of the loss. The last half was absolutely exquisite coaching trying to replace shooting in his rotations with Cook, balancing Cousins offense with Looney's defense, giving his team one last opportunity on that inbounds play. Dude coached his fucking heart out

In regards to the Raptors they took advantage of every opportunity this series and it shows. Congratulations to the Raptors they earned it.

独行侠球迷：这比赛确实有点东西，我依然在消化这轮系列赛，在勇士这边确实有很多值得讨论的东西：

首先是勇士在克莱伤退之后勇士确实大势已去了，猛龙在中线就开始夹击库里，在勇士只有库里+库克+鲁尼+伊戈达拉+格林时，进攻端他们确实无法匹配猛龙的防守。

其次在某些时候考辛斯确实在进攻端有积极作用但是他被猛龙的挡拆摧毁了，考辛斯和小个根本无法对位。

最后我相信G6是科尔执教最棒的一场比赛了，但是因为输球很多人并未注意，他为了补足投射换上了库克，平衡了考辛斯和鲁尼的防守，这也给了球队最后一搏的机会，这家伙为了赢也是倾尽一切了。

当然猛龙也利用了这轮系列赛所有的机会并且赢得了总冠军，恭喜猛龙。

[–]RocketsWatson4Harden13 208 points 9 hours ago

Klay Thompson was having one of the best Finals shooting performances ever before he went down: 25 points per game on 58% from three and 70% TS overall. Losing him for most of next season is 100x worse than losing the Finals IMO. It looks like the west is wide open now and any of the middling teams can break through.

火箭球迷：在克莱受伤之前他可能打出了最棒的总决赛投射表现：场均25分并且三分球命中率58%，真实命中率70%，失去他要比输掉总决赛要难顶100倍，看起来西部要翻天了，估计很多球队都有希望突破。

[–]Pistonspm_me_your_deadlift 147 points 9 hours ago

I’m most impressed by the fact that Toronto won three out of their four games in Oakland. That is absolutely unreal.

To dig further into this, the home team lost every game but game 1.

活塞球迷：最令我印象深刻的是多伦多赢下的四场有三场是在奥克兰赢得，这简直不可思议。

更深挖一下——主场球队除了G1都在自己的主场输球。

[–]CavaliersCavshomie8 230 points 9 hours ago*

I agree on the injuries. The Warriors are a historically talented team... beating them even with a few injuries is no small feat.

The Raptors also got past Philly and Milwaukee, both of whom I think were legit contenders. Heck, Milwaukee was my pick to win it all heading into the Conference Finals.

That being said, it was such an anti-climactic end. Klay was going off, and for him to go down, too... Felt like the Finals ended on a whimper.

Edit: Warriors’ inability to get decent contributors with their late draft picks finally came back to bite them. Didn’t think it would happen with their high-end talent, but Jordan Bell, etc. just aren’t good enough.

骑士球迷：我同意伤病影响了比赛，勇士是历史级别的球队……因为一些伤病而击败他们确实无可厚非。

猛龙同样越过了76人以及雄鹿，后面两支球队我觉得也是总冠军的竞争者，毕竟雄鹿是我认为能够赢下分区决赛并且进入总决赛的球队。

这也是说，实际上这是一个反高潮的结局，克莱倒下了，杜兰特也倒下了……感觉总决赛最终以悲伤结束。

编辑：勇士在最近无法选到优秀的球员最终反噬了他们，没想到他们的选秀会出现这样的情况，但是乔丹-贝尔确实不够出色。

[–]LakersDANNYBOYLOVER 91 points 9 hours ago

KD and Klay being injured completely changes the free agency landscape this summer.

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Can the Warriors really justify paying a player coming off an Achilles tear AND a player coming off an ACL tear? The owners have already said they're willing to go DEEP into the luxury tax to keep their dynasty, but you can't help but think this changes a whole lot of things for both KD and Klay.

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Would GSW really, really be able to justify going DEEP into the luxury tax for two players who won't be playing for at least one year?

湖人球迷：

杜兰特和克莱持续的伤病会让今年休赛期的自由球员市场发生剧变。

勇士会为一个跟腱断裂和另一个十字韧带撕裂的球员付账吗？尽管老板说了他们愿意为王朝建立付出大量金钱，但是如果在克莱和KD身上发生了这么多事情你不能确定他的态度是否会发生改变。

勇士真的会为两个下赛季都打不了球的球员付出如此高昂的奢侈税吗？

[–]WarriorsDKsnap 31 points 9 hours ago

Patrick McCaw. The first 3 peat Champion since Kobe, Shaq & The 00-02 Lakers.

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What a legend. Which team will pick him up? They should be championship favorites next year.

勇士球迷：帕特里克-麦考，自科比、沙克和00-02年湖人以来第一个三连冠获得者。

简直是传奇啊，哪支球队要签下他？他们明年一定是总冠军大热门啊。

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